Alibaba Qwen · mixture of experts · Qwen Community License 1.0
What runs Qwen3.8 Flash-Next
Sparse MoE with 125B parameters and 6B active per token, plus a large n-gram embedding table the card describes as suited to offloading. Aimed at 128 GB unified-memory machines and multi-GPU rigs.
- Parameters
- 125B, 6B active
- 4-bit file
- 111.4 GB
- Q4_K_M
- Needs at 8k context
- 113.1 GB
- context memory estimated
- Longest context
- 262,144 tokens
Context memory: 24,576 bytes per token, an estimate from the config: 12 attention layers x 2 KV heads x 256 x 2 (K,V) x 2 bytes; 36 linear layers hold a fixed state. Gated DeltaNet + Qwen Sparse Attention (QSA): 12 of 48 layers are attention layers (2 KV heads, head dim 256); the rest are linear attention with a fixed-size state. The card does not publish a per-token KV figure. The card also lists 51B of n-gram embedding parameters and 4B MTP on top of the 125B. How context memory works.
Measured on this hardware
Machines that hold the 4-bit file with 8,192 tokens of context and have published runs on the same chip or cards, fastest first. Median of single-user runs with plain decoding.
| Machine | Fit | Price | Generation |
|---|---|---|---|
| 4x Instinct MI50 32GB (used) on EPYC 7003Multi-GPU | Fits | ~$1,998 + unpriced parts | 49 tok/smedian of 1 run |
| Apple Mac Studio (M5 Max, 40-core GPU)Apple unified memory | Fits with raised limitassumed limitfrom 128 GB | ~$3,099–$5,099 | 39 tok/smedian of 2 runs |
| Apple MacBook Pro 14-inch (M5 Max, 40-core GPU)Apple unified memory | Fits with raised limitassumed limitfrom 128 GB | ~$4,699–$6,699 | 39 tok/smedian of 2 runs |
| Apple MacBook Pro 16-inch (M5 Max, 40-core GPU)Apple unified memory | Fits with raised limitassumed limitfrom 128 GB | ~$4,999–$6,999 | 39 tok/smedian of 2 runs |
Estimated, not measured
These fit but nobody has published a run we could match. The figure is memory bandwidth divided by the bytes read per token, scaled by the share of that ceiling measured runs reach. How estimates work.
| Machine | Fit | Price | Generation |
|---|---|---|---|
| Dell Pro Precision with GB300NVIDIA workstation | Fits | ~$159,283 | ~583–744 tok/sestimate |
| Apple Mac Studio (M5 Ultra, 64-core GPU)Apple unified memory | Fitsassumed limitfrom 256 GB | ~$5,499–$9,499 | ~70–124 tok/sestimate |
| Apple Mac Studio (M5 Ultra, 80-core GPU)Apple unified memory | Fitsassumed limitfrom 256 GB | ~$6,799–$10,799 | ~70–124 tok/sestimate |
| RTX 5090 + EPYC 9355P with 768 GB DDR5 (MoE offload)Hybrid GPU + RAM | GPU + RAM offloadassumed limit | ~$3,763 + unpriced parts | ~32–47 tok/sestimate, part in RAM |
| tiny corp tinybox red flashGPU desktop (prebuilt) | Fits | ~$22,000 | ~28–40 tok/sestimate |
| Framework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 495)AMD unified memory | Fitsassumed limit | ~$6,799 | ~22–29 tok/sestimate |
| NVIDIA DGX SparkNVIDIA GB10 | Fitsassumed limit | ~$4,699 | ~22–29 tok/sestimate |
| Dell Pro Precision with GB10NVIDIA GB10 | Fitsassumed limit | ~$5,523 | ~22–29 tok/sestimate |
| RTX 3090 (used) + 128 GB DDR5 on AM5 (MoE offload)Hybrid GPU + RAM | GPU + RAM offloadassumed limit | ~$4,833 + unpriced parts | ~5.4–7.9 tok/sestimate, part in RAM |
Fits, no speed figure
Too large for
Apple Mac Studio (M5 Max, 32-core GPU), Apple Mac mini (M5 Pro, 16-core GPU), Apple Mac mini (M5 Pro, 20-core GPU), Apple MacBook Pro 14-inch (M5 Max, 32-core GPU), Apple MacBook Pro 16-inch (M5 Max, 32-core GPU), Framework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max+ 395), Framework Desktop (Ryzen AI Max 385), GMKtec EVO-X2 (Ryzen AI Max+ 395), Beelink GTR9 Pro (Ryzen AI Max+ 395), Minisforum MS-S1 MAX (Ryzen AI Max+ 395), Corsair AI Workstation 300 (Ryzen AI Max+ 395), HP Z2 Mini G1a (Ryzen AI Max+ PRO 395), Dell Pro Max Tower T2 with NVIDIA RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell, 1x RTX 3090 (used), 2x RTX 3090 (used), 4x RTX 3090 (used) on EPYC 7003, open frame, 1x RTX 5090, 2x RTX 5090, 1x RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell, 2x Radeon RX 7900 XTX, 2x Intel Arc Pro B60. A smaller quant may fit: try the calculator.
Files
| Quant | Format | Size | Repo |
|---|---|---|---|
| IQ2_XXS | GGUF | 70.0 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| IQ2_M | GGUF | 74.8 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q2_K | GGUF | 75.4 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| IQ3_XXS | GGUF | 82.0 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q3_K_M | GGUF | 85.6 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| IQ3_M | GGUF | 86.8 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q2_K_L | GGUF | 99.8 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| 4bit | MLX | 103.9 GB | mlx-community/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-4bit |
| Q4_K_M | GGUF | 111.4 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q5_K_M | GGUF | 125.4 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q6_K | GGUF | 156.6 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
| Q8_0 | GGUF | 175.3 GB | bartowski/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GGUF |
Sources
- huggingface.co: model card: parameters, context length, license and attention layout; release month
- huggingface.co: downloads (last 30 days), license tag, safetensors param count
- huggingface.co: layer count, KV heads and head size
- huggingface.co: GGUF file sizes (shards summed)
- huggingface.co: MLX 4bit safetensors sizes